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Post by Malky(Admin) on Aug 4, 2014 7:38:00 GMT
Due To Strong Requests The EFA Has Decided To Set Up A Transfer Panel That Will Openly Discuss Transfer Deals Raised As (One Sided) or (Suspicious) Any Manager Can Post A Deal On This Thread That (They Feel) Isn't Within The Spirit Of The Game!! The Transfer Panel Will Then Discuss The Deal And Hear From Both Managers Before A Final Verdict Is Made! We Understand Managers Rate Players Differently And May Have To Push The Boat Out To Land A Deal, So We Are Not Here To Cancel or Change Every Deal, This Should Only Be Used If The Deal Agreed Leaves Everyone Scratching There Heads In Disbelieve! Ive Added The Following Clubs To The Panel Rangers FC , Bayern Munich , Barcelona , Benfica , Lyon I Would Like To Add Other Managers From Division's One & Two So Please PM Me If You Are Interested
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Post by scott777 on Sept 19, 2014 11:44:54 GMT
I quote Malkys first post "This Should Only Be Used If The Deal Agreed Leaves Everyone Scratching There Heads In Disbelieve!" Now I have just had 3 deals rejected, which I don't believe fall into the above. DEAL 1
I_Jesus 30 spa 2 6 24 7 25 300 688 208 21 for E_Huws 21 wal 2 6 22 16 38 800 836 72 922 A_Drury 21 eng 2 5 20 8 19 800 836 951 857 J_Ntcham 20 fra 3 7 19 6 29 600 598 743 671
I am struggling to see the issue with this one. Not least because extremely similar if not worse transfers have been made. Look at this one for instance; I_Muniain 25 spa 1 9 25 7 24 300 986 315 967 for Diego 33 uga 1 6 27 6 27 300 419 362 336 - yes hes better, but an oap. N_Alexander 27 sco 15 3 5 1 19 761 300 300 300 - worth about 1p Ridoutkha 18 egy 2 13 18 6 20 600 600 600 600 - Again, worth about 1 p as we ALL know deep down he will never develop into anything worthwhile. Or this one; J_Gandolfini 19 ita 3 8 22 17 12 300 546 516 764 for F_Moussa 21 fra 1 5 22 16 23 300 373 172 968 J_Ledley 20 wal 1 6 21 14 30 800 855 333 398 +10M None of that deal makes any sense at all. Now look at Spurs squad, he has obviously placed his emphasis on attacking mids, so one with two stats lower then the 30 year old he is offering, but who is almost 17 rated in shooting is a player he wants. a straight swap between those two would imo be fair enough, but he asked for the other two players, both due bonuses etc, and I obliged because, as everyone knows, I don't value secondaries. Yet it was rejected. May I point out, HE made that offer, not I. But no explanation was given, just that its rejected by the transfer panel. Nobody objected when I really wanted Dyer from Roma and offered him an arm and a leg to get the player I want. By rights, that deal was FAR FAR more one sided; Nathan_Dyer 20 eng 2 6 10 24 31 500 609 332 95 for V_Kompany 29 bel 2 24 10 8 33 500 500 500 500 Y_Toure 30 ivc 1 8 25 4 32 500 500 500 500 B_Celina 17 nor 2 6 18 14 28 600 600 600 600 The second deal that was rejected, I do understand to some extent why. However, as I messaged Malky at the time, again it was the deal HE wanted. I made this clear to Malky via pm, but again, all we get is a "transfer rejected" on the page with no explanation or reason why. Again, I am not really contesting that, when he negotiated and included a player most would say is weaker, I figured it would be an issue. My main moan, and yes im having a moan is that the middie imo is a fair deal, but also the fact no reasons are given or discussion on the matter. off to eat to make myself happier.
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Post by johnraggett on Sept 19, 2014 12:00:05 GMT
Fook doing a big reply again.
Deal 1 looks fine, granted 2 of the players aren't very good but then Jesus isn't the greatest either.
I do believe that Levi has done a few deals that do not benefit Spurs, so there comes a point where you have to protect a new manager but more importantly the club.
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Sept 19, 2014 12:01:09 GMT
These are the two deals that have just been rejected
E_Johnson - 29 eng 1 25 8 5 31 300 155 205 765 (Tottenham)
For
M_Demichelis 27 arg 2 23 8 7 18 300 640 380 318 B_Sagna 24 fra 2 21 10 7 18 300 480 360 311 Dodo 21 bra 3 22 4 6 33 800 161 760 783
Then
I_Jesus 30 spa 2 6 24 7 25 300 688 208 21 (Tottenham)
For
E_Huws 21 wal 2 6 22 16 38 800 836 72 922 A_Drury 21 eng 2 5 20 8 19 800 836 951 857 J_Ntcham 20 fra 3 7 19 6 29 600 598 743 671
This Thread Is Now Open To Discuss Why They Were Rejected By Myself After Discussions With The Transfer Panel
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Post by gazza on Sept 19, 2014 12:41:08 GMT
The deal I did does not include players valued at 1p , lets be realistic Scott, plus I paid £5m towards the transfer, the young player cost £6m via a scout mission.
Diego the 27 rated midfielder is gotta be valued at around £20m + as Bayern paid myself £23m for a 26 rated 33 year old defender.
Lets see that's around £20m + £6m + £5m = at least £31m, I would say that's a fair deal for a 25 rated player aged 25, my deals were concluded by managers that have played the game for a long time and know how this game is played.
That's my take on the example you have listed for one of my deals.
Your deal has been brought before the transfer panel to have a look at, an opinion has been offered by managers on the panel that it didn't benefit Spurs at this moment, lets discuss it properly.
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Post by scott777 on Sept 19, 2014 13:31:01 GMT
Ok I will try to keep this short, as it wasn't meant to turn into the rant that it became.
To recap, I can understand the deal for the defender not going through. Which is why I didn't question originally.
I just found the rejection of the middy deal odd given it wasn't particularly one sided. I haven't actually had direct discussion with the Spurs manager like the old method of dealing used to be, so I am only second guessing when I stated I presume he is building a collection of AMs.
If it was rejected because he is new, then fair enough I could understand that. I am not 100%, but pretty sure when I was here with Inter there was a debate about new managers being unable to make deals till they had been in the game for x amount of time.
So I guess ultimately, I ranted because I didn't know why that one deal was turned down. And we all know I love making deals.
It also did make me question the transfer panel also. Mainly because, to some extent, it gives them an insight into what potential transfers are out there. I am by NO WAY suggesting any of them would behave in this way, but theres always the possibility manager A sees a deal rejected, approaches the original manager with a slightly better offer than what he already knows will be acceptable to them, and gets the edge that way. Again, I don't think any managers on the panel would actually do that, but it defo made me overthink, hence the rant! So I apologise on that.
Gazza, we will have to agree to disagree on that deal im afraid. I didn't pick you out deliberately, didn't even look to see which teams were involved, it was just the first that caught my eye. Not really the thread to get into all that.
So now I don't even remember what my point was. Maybe to give managers a bit better of an idea as to why they've been rejected.
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Post by johnraggett on Sept 19, 2014 14:55:41 GMT
Again fair play to Scott questioning the workings of the game. He has a point and should have been told it was to protect the Spurs manager as the deals keep coming and coming.
As you say yourself Scott the defender deal you can understand, so all the good players are moving on and for okay replacements that need a lot of work.
I think the Jesus deal is okay to be honest although it really would be good to hear from the Spurs manager as he's ripping the Spurs squad apart day by day.
You have to keep some talent to bring on the youth.
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Post by Levi (TTH) on Sept 19, 2014 21:46:34 GMT
I have been trying to acquire players that are younger, with good secondary skill (or potential for it), where passing is either the primary or secondary skill.
Is Huws not going to make 24 Ps in 9 years? For me this is dealing 'now' value for 'future' value.
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Post by trulskaare on Sept 20, 2014 10:10:30 GMT
The deal is not a shocking one, Levi. You're right, the youths you're gaining will eventually increase in abs, but you have to be careful with the balance of your squad. There's no point having too many players fighting for the same positions. Weakening your overall abs total will slow the progression rate as your performances will suffer. My advice to you would be to keep a balance between youth and older, higher skilled players. That allows development of future stars whilst maintaining the ability to compete. I'm happy for this deal to go through, but I hope you have a plan for where you see Tottenham next season and beyond. It shouldn't always be age before beauty.
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Post by Levi (TTH) on Sept 20, 2014 10:19:53 GMT
I've mentioned before that every esms league is different, so I have no guarantee my plan will work. But, I'm here for the long haul, even if I do get it wrong.
I'm also particularly active because the tth squad didn't contain many players of the type I like. Obviously as it fills with more of them I'd be less active.
In other leagues I have had success with ps/sh guys playing as FW and the occasional 6-2-2 formation, so the recent discussions there are of interest alos.
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Post by scott777 on Sept 20, 2014 11:13:27 GMT
Good to see you on the forum bud, we may deal one day in the future
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Post by scott777 on Sept 20, 2014 12:21:36 GMT
Ok im not trying to flog a dead horse here, but heres my rejected deal.
E_Johnson 29 eng 1 25 8 5 31 300 155 205 765 for M_Demichelis 27 arg 2 23 8 7 18 300 640 380 318 B_Sagna 24 fra 2 21 10 7 18 300 480 360 311 Dodo 21 bra 3 22 4 6 33 800 161 760 783
So a defender 2 stats lower and two years younger is the main focus. Then you had Dod who, the way the season is progressing will finish after his bonus as 23 rated at 22 years old. Then Sagna who the Spurs manager asked for.
Yet this deal has gone through;
A_Birindelli 33 ger 2 25 1 1 20 300 167 300 203 for R_Roversio 31 bra 1 22 3 10 31 300 887 26 606 +8M
So a defender 3 stats lower and 2 years younger, Worse than my deal. + 8mil.
This actually makes my deal look good!
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Post by Lee (Marseille) on Sept 20, 2014 12:43:12 GMT
Agree have seen much worse go through
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Post by johnraggett on Sept 20, 2014 21:13:17 GMT
I dont think it the specific deal or deals in question here, just what it appeared to be happening to the spurs squad with a new manager at the helm
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Post by gazza on Sept 21, 2014 12:34:07 GMT
I dont think it the specific deal or deals in question here, just what it appeared to be happening to the spurs squad with a new manager at the helm Yup agree with that.
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