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Post by scott777 on Sept 11, 2014 13:57:11 GMT
Let them go. Will soon see them running back when they realise the grass isn't greener.
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Post by bigdan on Sept 11, 2014 14:02:46 GMT
Let them go. Will soon see them running back when they realise the grass isn't greener. That's not an option though mate.
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Post by Stu on Sept 11, 2014 14:29:50 GMT
So basically Gazza you're saying a British government (even labour) is too right leaning for you, and you want to be able to vote for a SNP or Scottish Labour govt which would be more socialist? But I agree, with the banks starting to wade in about relocating, I think people will start to get jittery and no will edge it. It won't just be the banks, most big business' will be reluctant to invest or stay in what will be a volatile economy for years to come. This could well have a knock on effect to the cost of living too as the cost of importing goods could well increase because of the volatility in the markets. As for a better funded NHS and Education system that's all a pie in the sky pipe dream the SNP will never be able to deliver and Alec Salmond knows it. My cousin who is Scottish and works fairly high up in the NHS in Scotland thinks it will likely get far worse before it has any chance of getting better if the yes vote wins, so much so that she's and her family are now looking at moving either down to England or abroad if Scotland goes it alone. My fathers Scottish and so are most of my family and I've spent a fair amount of time in Scotland so I can see it from both sides and count myself as much a Scot as I do English and I truly think it would be a huge mistake for future generations in Scotland if the Yes vote wins.
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Post by gazza on Sept 11, 2014 16:27:09 GMT
So basically Gazza you're saying a British government (even labour) is too right leaning for you, and you want to be able to vote for a SNP or Scottish Labour govt which would be more socialist? But I agree, with the banks starting to wade in about relocating, I think people will start to get jittery and no will edge it. Pretty much so mate, I am your stereotypical working class man with the stay at home wife bringing up 3 kids, things are heading the wrong way as far as making a living goes, 10 years ago I could afford a better standard of life than I do now, but the fat cat bankers and politicians with their mega wages and super bonuses have brought the country to its knees, so we are all suffering for their greediness. Scotland Wales and a Huge portion of England have it as bad, my dad was born in England my grandmother was English, so I have roots in England, it's not an anti-English thing, it's just a case of wanting to govern ourselves and sort the mess out, as it's not going to get any better anytime soon, so either way times are going to be hard. The scaremongering is pitiful and shameful from the media and various other businesses and politicians. The rest of Britain should be applauding our efforts, nobody is running away or will want to be crawling back, we just want a fairer society and greater equality.
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Post by johnraggett on Sept 11, 2014 17:18:24 GMT
Interesting read boys, so will I need a passport if you get your independence?
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Post by gazza on Sept 11, 2014 17:52:21 GMT
Interesting read boys, so will I need a passport if you get your independence? No because Scotland will be part of the common travel area as the republic of Ireland are. Or we could all be scare mongered into thinking there will be borders with guards
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Post by johnraggett on Sept 11, 2014 17:59:39 GMT
Yes but by plane/boat I need a passport to get into Eire, where as I travel by plane to Scotland i don't as it stands).
Hadrain's wall not being resurrected?
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Post by gazza on Sept 11, 2014 18:08:41 GMT
Some carriers require a passport for the republic of Ireland, pretty sure its not a legal requirement, only i.d is required.
Visa, Passport and Embassies
UK citizens do not require a passport or visa to enter Ireland, but most carriers by air or sea now require some form of identification with photograph (usually either a passport or driving licence with photo). Visitors are advised to check what form of ID is required with the individual airline, ferry company, tour operator or travel agent before travelling.
Non UK nationals must have a valid passport or national identity card as appropriate.
Citizens living within the EU and most other Western countries including Australia, Canada, New Zealand and South Africa do not require visas.
All other countries should contact their local Irish Embassy/Consulate prior to travelling to the Republic of Ireland, and visitors to Northern Ireland should contact their local British Embassy/High Commission or Consular Office
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Post by andieglen on Sept 11, 2014 22:06:30 GMT
Is the SNP different from the BNP? (An un-proven party running a country or province with racism)
Are they trying to mimic Scandinavian countries on their prosperity which took decades to achieve?
Have they an income or resources to be independent, without the aid of others? (currency, finances or support)
If it goes wrong, what's the back up? (cash in on the NHS and education to drive income in those sectors that can provide independence)
foreign investors (ie supermarkets, take-a-ways, raising prices to create a safety net) which increases cost of living more than before, which results in more poverty as prices are higher and who pays for that?
I've watched Brave Heart and get the whole Independence thing, but reality! harsh harsh times to come! Hope it works??
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Post by gazza on Sept 11, 2014 22:24:16 GMT
Is the SNP different from the BNP? (An un-proven party running a country or province with racism)
Are they trying to mimic Scandinavian countries on their prosperity which took decades to achieve? Have they an income or resources to be independent, without the aid of others? (currency, finances or support) If it goes wrong, what's the back up? (cash in on the NHS and education to drive income in those sectors that can provide independence) foreign investors (ie supermarkets, take-a-ways, raising prices to create a safety net) which increases cost of living more than before, which results in more poverty as prices are higher and who pays for that? I've watched Brave Heart and get the whole Independence thing, but reality! harsh harsh times to come! Hope it works??
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Post by theo on Sept 11, 2014 23:43:21 GMT
Personally I think Scotland would be massively shooting itself in the foot by voting yes... but difficult to tell I guess no one knows for sure. But seems like people could be voting yes to try and make a statement rather than considering the long term implications for the country...
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Post by gazza on Sept 12, 2014 0:11:04 GMT
Personally I think Scotland would be massively shooting itself in the foot by voting yes... but difficult to tell I guess no one knows for sure. But seems like people could be voting yes to try and make a statement rather than considering the long term implications for the country... It really is a big gamble, but it would free us up to mould and shape Scotland into our own vision of the future, or it could be a catastrophic mess, I have seen the argument for and against and can see good and bad in both, the propaganda is shockingly biased against a yes vote up here, therein lies the problem, who really runs the UK, the press and bbc have a lot to answer for with their cover ups and track records Fortune favours the brave , so I say yes.
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Post by scott777 on Sept 12, 2014 13:33:36 GMT
Intelligent people are saying No.
The uneducated Jeremy Kyle generation are saying yes.
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Post by gazza on Sept 12, 2014 13:54:19 GMT
Intelligent people are saying No. The uneducated Jeremy Kyle generation are saying yes.
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Post by scott777 on Sept 12, 2014 13:59:07 GMT
Its true.
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