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Post by johnraggett on Feb 26, 2015 13:01:38 GMT
Simple question is how much is Pogba worth?
If it's more than 30 Mil than this deal is terrible.
If it's in the 20s then it's acceptable and Ahmed has a good deal.
I still say new managers need extra protection but deciding what is the million dollar question
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Post by johnraggett on Feb 26, 2015 13:05:27 GMT
My main issue here personally is the players given in exchange.
They are players with no value at al.
Lynn have to be looking at a first team replacement for this guy plus cash or two decent youths.
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Post by Dillon (OSA) on Feb 26, 2015 13:06:25 GMT
Real Madrid to Osasuna W_Jose 20 bra 3 8 8 23 10 800 67 243 507 +17.5M
Osasuna to Real D_Carvajal 18 spa 1 21 7 9 32 500 500 500 500
This is a deal Madrid and I completed earlier in the season. Could be used as a reference, thoughts?
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Post by Ahmed@Real on Feb 26, 2015 14:28:10 GMT
Guys you realy dont know how to value a player, is it realy these players the same value
J_Gandolfini 20 ita 3 8 23 18 12 300 626 452 354 (the best offer Celtic have is 30m I offerd him 33m) W_Jose 20 bra 3 8 8 23 10 800 67 243 507 (the best offer i had is 10m and I cant use the player or loan him) P_Pogba 18 fra 2 7 21 11 21 400 662 259 823 (are this player the same as J_Gandolfini, one of the best AM)
I did offer my second young MF to lots of team and no body interested and we know the DF worth more than the MF and the MF worth more than FW because there is no place for 23 rated any more, I just try to use the cash and bring some players to the reserve team Scott want 70m for this guy M_Nastasic 19 ser 1 22 2 2 45 500 797 554 632 is that really what he worth (only in Scott mind I think)
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Post by Dillon (OSA) on Feb 26, 2015 14:31:07 GMT
You make a good point about the strikers Ahmed, I'm willing to take a hit and have a three player rotary system with Jose being preferred because it will benefit in the long run. I had to make a sacrifice that's just acceptable at Div 1, no way at Elite could you have done that
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Post by scott777 on Feb 26, 2015 19:56:41 GMT
I had this deal rejected last season
I_Jesus 30 spa 2 6 24 7 25 300 688 208 21 for E_Huws 21 wal 2 6 22 16 A_Drury 21 eng 2 5 20 8 J_Ntcham 20 fra 3 7 19 6
now that was me offering the 3 players for a 24 rater who isnt even good. It was rejected because the spurs manager was new.
New managers need protection, this isnt fair by any means.
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Post by scott777 on Feb 26, 2015 20:00:48 GMT
The value of a player is relative to the team.
I could demand 70m for one of the best yth defenders for two reasons.
1 - I dont need to sell him so if I did itd be for a lot. 2 - teams out there have a lot of money. If they want rhe best players then your damn right ill make them pay for them if I own one.
In this case, the yth was worth far more to Lyon than most teams due to their aging midfield. At Real Madrid, hes worthless. Another yth that will reach a point to either be sold or loaned.
To Lyon he was a potential star. Major difference.
If they were in debt, or needed money then again, it would make it more viable. But they have 40mil sat there doing nothing.
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Post by Ahmed@Real on Feb 26, 2015 22:05:57 GMT
I did agree with Alex (Lyon manager) to submit the deal again and waiting for him to accept it, so hope you are happy now and the future for EFL is brighter
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Post by gazza on Feb 27, 2015 0:04:48 GMT
I did agree with Alex (Lyon manager) to submit the deal again and waiting for him to accept it, so hope you are happy now and the future for EFL is brighter Unnecessary mate.
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Post by scott777 on Feb 27, 2015 10:06:01 GMT
Its a shame more arent willing to get involved. A debate between two or three doesnt really resolve much.
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Post by bigdan on Feb 27, 2015 11:46:30 GMT
Its a shame more arent willing to get involved. A debate between two or three doesnt really resolve much. I'm tempted to second Scott's complaint and request a formal investigation into this transfer. Although really, I don't want to give Malky the additional headache! I think this one has descended into a squabble and gone too far. Malky has enough admin to do without sorting out our playground disagreements. Scott - next time, can I suggest you just post a simple statement that you wish to complain about this or that deal in accordance with the rules, and give your reasons. Then someone just has to second your complaint and Malky should look into it. (I'm not taking the p!ss mate, we do have rules, let's try and play it by the book and maybe things will improve.) A couple of other points: 1. The rules aren't clear whether we need two objections or four! Malky? 2. I think there used to be a rule that a new manager couldn't complete transfers before his first game in charge. I'm not sure if Alex was appointed in time for the Week 2 league game (his name doesn't appear on the report). If that's the case then Lyon completed no less than 7 transfers before the League Cup game on 26th Feb. Has this rule now been removed?
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Feb 27, 2015 11:59:43 GMT
Dan you are correct there are a couple of minor rules that need updating from seasons ago, regards transfer complaints min of two managers, so yes two managers, but lets not just have, ive a complaint, if your making the complaint then give your reasons
regards a new manager and transfer deals, the rule was put in place cause i didnt want a new manager coming in and making 20 deals then leaving after a week or so, which really you cant stop because any manager could come in for two games buy and sell loads of players then leave just the same
if i appoint a new manager and they say they have played this type of game before, is it then right to restrict them from buying and selling right away?
i have to sometimes take a back seat and trust that everyone will play the game correct and nothing will come back and bite me in the arse
IMO i would have liked to have seen a stronger manager in charge of Lyon as i didnt think they needed much work done to them, but the vultures have been hanging waiting to swoop. be it right or wrong i think Lyon look much poorer now
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Post by winzor @ Porto on Feb 27, 2015 12:13:40 GMT
I think it is about time some of these managers who constantly take the piss with these sort of deals with new managers took a look at themselves tbh. always the same culprits.
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Post by scott777 on Feb 27, 2015 20:48:07 GMT
Debate will always arise, thats not a bad thing. But we really do need more managers opinions.
Whats bad in some eyes may be beneficial to others.
Id like to think I can see both sides in most deals, even ones that on face value can look awful could have benefits in some way.
This one however seemingly doesnt. Maybe the Lyon manager needs to be asked for his input?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 23:14:27 GMT
I honestly don't want to get in a huge fight, because I feel like this is where it is going. I just want to say "No comment" right now but I guess I should explain everything.. Before I say anything else I just want to say I don't mean to offend anyone right now. This is just really frustrating me and this isn't making my experience quite enjoyable right now.
I'm new to all this. I can't help it. I don't exactly know how to value players based on their stats and all that, alright? This is all (well, not completely) new to me, I mean I know what I am doing, I know the rules of football and all that, but I have never played an online football manager game like this before. I saw Ahmed's deal, I misread some stats, and I thought it would be a good deal. After looking at it again, I noticed I made a mistake.
Ahmed and I had a peaceful talk and we both came to the conclusion that the transfer was a little unfair, so we got all the players we transferred back and everything is back to normal. I realize I am no where near being the best manager in this game, and I realize my team is a bunch of old people. I'm working on bringing young people to the team.
I just don't see why we all need to get in a big debate because of this transfer. Ahmed and I never meant to make anyone mad or anything about this. I apologize for any inconvenience I have caused or whatever. I'm still figuring things out.
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