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Post by trulskaare on Aug 27, 2009 9:43:56 GMT
I was wondering if anybody has an opinion about all the young superstars who are scouted for peanuts. Will these players spell the end of the current squads as we'll soon be seing 15 year old 21 rated stars?! It's not a one off as I'm sure you'll have noticed by now. Have we taken this increase in skill for scouted players too far? Look at what both Sunderland and Lyon have managed to pick up for next to nothing:
D_Stanfield 13 fra 2 7 4 17 32 300 300 300 300 (less than a million)
T_Roberts 14 eng 2 16 8 7 27 300 300 300 300
D_Prime 13 eng 2 6 16 9 40 300 800 800 800
If it was the odd player here and there it would be fine, but they're everywhere now. I think this devalues everything I personally have worked for by donating and building a young squad for the future. They don't have a future anymore.
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Post by pom on Aug 27, 2009 10:58:59 GMT
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Post by scott on Aug 27, 2009 11:04:51 GMT
yep i agree, adding 2 stat points onto senior players is fine, but on youths it can create monsters!
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Post by Ahmed@Real on Aug 27, 2009 11:16:52 GMT
I agree, because that will make a big change for the league, and I dont think it is fair for some teams, I dont think we can fix it now, but we must do something about it for next season
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Post by steven on Aug 27, 2009 11:46:52 GMT
i agree the youth were always potentially good with some duffers thrown in, it was only the top end guys that needed sorting out, I think something to be rectified for next season
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Aug 27, 2009 11:53:08 GMT
if there is a concern it should be talked about and sorted before the season starts
the problem i have is alot of managers talked about what they wanted changed and that we would all talk about what needs looked at and fixed for season 9/10
keepers, scouts etc etc
but no1 has mailed me with ideas or wanted to talk about changes. so if im left to make these changes and then problems are spotted what am i to do?
so there is no point creating alot of super youths now and seeing them waste the game seasons down the line, so if anyone has any ideas on capping these players or only adding 2 skills onto players 20+ of age, then i need to hear about them
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Post by johnraggett on Aug 27, 2009 13:05:53 GMT
I brought this up with Scott recently. Think if we only have the influx this scouting period we'll be okay. But if it continues could wreck the game.
I wouldn't mind the odd player of this ability coming in but the price must reflct it and instead of the 3Mil or so they should be 30 plus mil.
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Post by scott on Aug 27, 2009 13:50:12 GMT
yes, agree with John, that Lyon forward shouldve been priced in excess of 35-40mil considering the costs of 20-21 rated scouts who are older.
Its hard to say what the right answer is, but looking again at the Lyon fwd, he could well be 30rated before his EOS bonus' have even stopped being given out! For him to cost 3mil is def wrong, but what do we do?
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Post by trulskaare on Aug 27, 2009 13:50:50 GMT
There was never an issue with the younger scouted players. Last season I scouted a 14 year old 14 rated midfielder with good second skill for 12million. This season you get a player far better than that for less than a million?! The only scouted players that didn't attract managers money were the middle aged 19-20 rated costing 30mill or so. If these players had their skill level pushed by a couple of ability points the problem would be solved. I think any manager with a bit of logic will see that these new players are potentially far better than anything we've seen at the cost of a cheap t-shirt. I don't think it's fair to say that nobody had emailed you Malky as this was discussed in the forums prior to any scouts being used. You've followed suit with the general census, but the result is not a favoured one with the younger scouted players. The older, higher rated players seem to be hitting the spot with some beeing snapped and others being auctioned. I think this needs serious consideration. If I'd known the youth players would be this great I wouldn't have wasted my scouts on 20-25 year old players for 27-30mill at 20-21 rated. Everybody would go for three youths for about 5mill in total
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Post by 15saints on Aug 27, 2009 17:16:25 GMT
I have gone for yout scouts every season and have had some real dross. I have asked for another this season, but have yet to recieve him. It now transpires that I am going to get all sort of restrictions on who and what I am allowed to have.
Have we gone to overkill? It is the managers with 26 -28 rated players who are objecting the most - check out Xavi, Tabata and the like. Why are we not allowing everyone the chance of having players like that?
Surely if we just said that all youth players must be minimum aged 15 then problem is solved.
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Post by steven on Aug 27, 2009 18:04:21 GMT
I have gone for yout scouts every season and have had some real dross. I have asked for another this season, but have yet to recieve him. It now transpires that I am going to get all sort of restrictions on who and what I am allowed to have. Have we gone to overkill? It is the managers with 26 -28 rated players who are objecting the most - check out Xavi, Tabata and the like. Why are we not allowing everyone the chance of having players like that? Surely if we just said that all youth players must be minimum aged 15 then problem is solved. I totally agree, but just the under 17s shouldnt have the extra 2 stat points added then we wouldnt have this problem at all. The players mentioned would still be good but wouldnt be able to be stupidly good. Also i think the main issue most people had was that you could pick up these potential monsters for absoloute peanuts. i.e. instead of D_Stanfield 13 fra 2 7 4 17 32 300 300 300 300 he was D_Stanfield 13 fra 2 7 4 15 32 300 300 300 300 he will still be a rare great player with donations and lots of play but the extra 2 stat point meant he would be a monster in pretty much 1 season.
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Post by smeagol on Aug 27, 2009 18:46:06 GMT
he is a great player and i have already missed this years donations as i dd other players :-( but i think the new rules are ok
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Post by scott on Aug 27, 2009 19:18:47 GMT
I have gone for yout scouts every season and have had some real dross. I have asked for another this season, but have yet to recieve him. It now transpires that I am going to get all sort of restrictions on who and what I am allowed to have. Have we gone to overkill? It is the managers with 26 -28 rated players who are objecting the most - check out Xavi, Tabata and the like. Why are we not allowing everyone the chance of having players like that? Surely if we just said that all youth players must be minimum aged 15 then problem is solved. I can assure you I think teh inclusion of these youths isnt something I have objected to. I do think their prices shouldve been bumped up to around 35-45mil to reflect how good they can be, and possibly reduce the amount of the really good ones that are appearing. IN honesty, these new rules put my transfer deals made into a bit of doubt. I swapped Wilshere for a 22.9 rated def solely because with donating he can be immense, now he cant, so Lyon have shit out. Is that fair?
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Post by smeagol on Aug 27, 2009 19:34:31 GMT
I got one years donating on him but i agree that deal has turned out to be a bit of a bummer but the rules are there for everyone now so we will just need ot hope that my youth players will still do ok minus the donations and end of seasons boosts
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2009 19:49:26 GMT
all the players that have been scouted look great, but obviously the U17's are off.
use an old program to scout u17's take the 2 stats back off current u17's let managers return scouts if unhappy.
those would be my options. saves all the extra rules, capping, work etc etc
was D_Stanfield 13 fra 2 7 4 17 32 300 300 300 300
now D_Stanfield 13 fra 2 7 4 15 32 300 300 300 300
the guy is still going to be a really good player with good progression for less than a measly mil, but the cost to make him a super player ie time/donations will be a huge factor.
i would like to see an upper cap for youths! similar to what the keepers are! just set a reasonable skill level per position.
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