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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 23:16:35 GMT
And I would also like to ask if we can stop debating/arguing here, becauase IMO, this whole argument over this transfer is really making me not enjoy my experience in the EFL right now.
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Post by Dillon (OSA) on Feb 27, 2015 23:36:24 GMT
I honestly don't want to get in a huge fight, because I feel like this is where it is going. I just want to say "No comment" right now but I guess I should explain everything.. Before I say anything else I just want to say I don't mean to offend anyone right now. This is just really frustrating me and this isn't making my experience quite enjoyable right now. I'm new to all this. I can't help it. I don't exactly know how to value players based on their stats and all that, alright? This is all (well, not completely) new to me, I mean I know what I am doing, I know the rules of soccer and all that, but I have never played an online football manager game like this before. I saw Ahmed's deal, I misread some stats, and I thought it would be a good deal. After looking at it again, I noticed I made a mistake. Ahmed and I had a peaceful talk and we both came to the conclusion that the transfer was a little unfair, so we got all the players we transferred back and everything is back to normal. I realize I am no where near being the best manager in this game, and I realize my team is a bunch of old people. I'm working on bringing young people to the team. I just don't see why we all need to get in a big debate because of this transfer. Ahmed and I never meant to make anyone mad or anything about this. I apologize for any inconvenience I have caused or whatever. I'm still figuring things out. It takes some getting used to and I'm sure you'll find your feet soon. Don't let this hamper your experience so far, I'm a relatively new manager and it has taken some thought and learning experiences to gather some form of 'skill' in this game. Bringing in youth is a good tactic, and it will work out in the future for sure. Making the right deals will come to you soon once you get a feel for the prices of players. Best plan would be to choose a plan for the next few seasons and stick to it, You have me wishing you good luck because it's nice to see a new face and to not be the newest around here. Hope you stick it out here
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Post by gazza on Feb 27, 2015 23:45:18 GMT
And I would also like to ask if we can stop debating/arguing here, becauase IMO, this whole argument over this transfer is really making me not enjoy my experience in the EFL right now. I hope nothing spoils your experience of the game, this game is based on long serving managers and a good community based spirit, we are all here to help, don't be afraid to pm anyone and ask for advice or help. You have started at the top with a good team, you have made a few transfers that are maybe in hindsight not great, but they are by no means disastrous, there is great scope to build your own great Lyon team, and the important thing is that you do build your own team. Some managers started at the very bottom and have struggled to build teams, but are still here to their credit, good luck mate, and keep at it
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Post by winzor @ Porto on Feb 28, 2015 10:35:44 GMT
@aragau101 just to point 1 major thing out here in all this debate, nothing was aimed at you for this deal as we all know you are new to the game. The reason this gets put on here for a debate is the fact this keeps happening with new managers every time they join, we all know that new managers will not know the valuation of players straight away. Unfortunately we have some experienced managers who act like vultures knowing this, it is never aimed at a new manager but at the same managers who jump straight in to take advantage of new managers. We are just trying to firstly protect the likes of you who are new to the game and secondly to protect the teams in the game. Please don't feel like anyone was having a dig at you personally, or even blaming you because I am very sure no one was doing that. Hope you enjoy the game, I am sure you will and at a later date you will look back and see why these debates happen I am sure lol.
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Post by scott777 on Feb 28, 2015 17:32:37 GMT
As has been said, this has nothing to do with you bud. Its more a case of the opposite, looking out for you, as history dictates new managers are potential targets when they arrive.
My mate manages Villa, some of the offers he showed me he received, especially for his goalkeeper, which were made by some experienced people, were truly shocking. Disgusting even.
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Post by John on Feb 28, 2015 18:44:35 GMT
Yep I suppose I was quite lucky knowing someone from the game so I could ask if the deals were good or not!
And to be fair with Scott there's not much I've seen from him that I disagree with!!
And welcome to the game I had a great first season and I'm enjoying it a lot!! Make it better when you beat a team and they spit there toys out the pram! Gotta love a good rant from a beaten manager
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Post by johnraggett on Feb 28, 2015 22:36:22 GMT
Plenty of managers out there to help each other out. I've tried to help many, and most have gone on to be successful.
Scott knows his market, probably helps he was born on one but can't knock the guy for knowing his stuff.
Some folk don't like it but, he's keeping the forum rolling, hope to be back soon in more force.
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Post by scott777 on Mar 1, 2015 8:30:18 GMT
I'm tempted to flag a few more deals here.
The go one is disturbing. Marseille swooping for his 27 rater... its all become farcical. Every time I log on I look who's raided him next.
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Post by johnraggett on Mar 1, 2015 10:07:24 GMT
Just gone through the Lyon deals and can honestly say not one of them is a good deal for them in the short or long term.
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Post by scott777 on Mar 1, 2015 11:34:48 GMT
Its all a bit of a piss take tbh. Its well and good him saying please stop debating this as its ruining his enjoyment, but that's bollocks.
So many managers have jumped on him like sharks, its disgusting.
Whoever is on this transfer panel, and I am not sure who, but whoever is, Malky has put you all in a position of responsibility to prevent this from occurring.
This is possibly the worst case of vultures I have ever seen.
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Post by gazza on Mar 1, 2015 11:49:55 GMT
I agree, but after being given advice, Lyon continue to weaken their team, what can you do if the new manager is happy with his deals ?
Some managers striking these deals have no shame, but it is a game and you make your offers as you please, shame or no shame.
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Post by Ahmed@Real on Mar 1, 2015 11:59:13 GMT
Lots of managers talk sh1t here and is not about enjoying the game at all, I have this player and for sure he is better than P_Pogba J_Molby 18 den 2 7 21 8 31 400 560 511 972
Gazza you start this but you made this deal before, 4 Feb Rangers FC C_Donaldson 19 sco 1 19 10 7 41 300 ( you pay for him 8.52M) +40M Feyenoord B_Hemoth 23 isr 2 4 25 6 22 600 905 844 256
So you should be happy for this offer (I will submit if you accepted it)
40M + J_Molby 18 den 2 7 21 8 31 400 560 511 972 for B_Hemoth (or I could offer you 70M for him)
of course Gazza will not accept that offer so Guys you all thought that Lyon player worth more than 40M so let we see how many man stick to his word and put his money where his mouth is) let we see what you offer for my guy
J_Molby 18 den 2 7 21 8 31 400 560 511 972
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Post by scott777 on Mar 1, 2015 12:25:11 GMT
Ahmed players are worth different things to different teams. That youth is worth very little to you, as once he hits 23 rated he will need to be loaned or sold. To a team such as mine, he would be invaluable.
So far, not one deal Lyon has made offers his side any value whatsoever. Not in terms f youth prospects or oaps for success, there is no sense to it.
Secondly, the managers even offering him such deals should be embarrassed to see them accepted and go through.
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Post by gazza on Mar 1, 2015 13:01:10 GMT
Young players are valued in many ways by managers, people building a team crave youngsters, some that have older players buy them and develop them to replace retiring players, so they don't dive in and pay silly money, they speculate.
I started a rebuild several seasons ago, I cant remember being questioned about destroying a good team, I paid £40m for an 18 year old skill 22 defender, I let great players go like Gravesen Ferguson and Mertesacker, I maybe sacrificed a cup or league title in doing so, but I built my team as a challenge, to see if I could do it from scratch, and did it the honest way.
Regards to the Behemoth deal, lets put this one to bed, I have bid approximately 20 times over a few seasons for this guy, I desperately wanted to bring him to Rangers, I made an initial bid and it was accepted, I was prepared to offer more, but I expected it to be refused like the other 19 offers !, a few managers were annoyed as no doubt they chased the guy also, and they were in a position to offer better deals, but the fact is that the manager was happy with the offer and he accepted, there was no pressure to do so, so surprisingly he came to Rangers, fair deal done, almost £50m.
Ahmed your offers for Behemoth are good and some would accept and some wouldn't, he is not for sale in my eyes as he will be a great player, as will Copland and DeBoer, 2 players I have developed and paid heavily for, you made me a monstrous offer for these guys preseason, I was mad to turn it down, but to me this is the team I have built and I value my players not in cash but with pride in the way I have constructed my team, so there is an element of sentiment.
A lot of managers talk shit you stated, yes we all do some times ! Some talk sense yes we do now and again !, we all have our moments and we all play the game in our own way, some times it baffles others, the issue here is that we have a manager come in and rip his team up and do some very debatable deals, some managers have jumped on the bandwagon and taken advantage, but the Lyon boss is happy enough and isn't complaining.
If the deals are suspect and seem to be under hand then they warrant referral by a few managers to be inspected and managers will be asked to explain the reasoning, then the deal will be referred to Malky for a final say on whether they should be overturned.
I cant see any under hand suspect deals, maybe deals that favour other teams more than an other.
Sorry for the long winded answer but this is my rambling take on things.
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Post by scott777 on Mar 1, 2015 16:32:01 GMT
Lyon D_Bornosuzov 35 bul 2 25 4 8 39 300 536 599 505 to Aston Villa 3M
3mil for him is criminal.
Osasuna D_De_Rossi 19 ita 2 13 20 5 32 300 662 34 425 to Lyon 15M
Is that yth worth 15mil? Not in line with scouting prices, but I guess if he wants him badly enough...
Schalke 04 Sidnei 35 bra 2 26 7 8 22 300 558 632 253 Lee_Ho 33 kor 1 3 26 5 32 300 704 571 562 +15M Lyon to C_Smalling 29 eng 1 24 8 5 29 300 901 62 792 G_Cooper 30 eng 4 7 25 13 27 710 608 380 857
The above deal is just plain odd. The more I examine it the more it doesn't make sense. On one hand Lyon are selling oaps for next to nothing, yet here they are swapping players with many seasons left to bring in oaps who are only slightly better.
Osasuna D_Platt 33 eng 1 3 25 10 25 300 878 29 548 R_Carlos 20 bra 3 20 10 5 11 300 977 201 846 +4M to Lyon T_Cruise 25 eng 2 9 24 8 39 300 377 928 653
Sell a 25 yr old almost 25 rater for an oap, a reserve and some loose change? Again, it makes no sense whatsoever.
Lyon K_Katsouranis 34 fra 1 3 27 1 34 300 915 137 612 to Marseille 12M
12mil for him? For a team who don't need money? Illogical.
T_Snelders 30 hol 30 2 3 4 16 151 300 300 300 Cabaye 24 spa 1 7 22 10 23 300 747 160 722 to Lyon A_Guaita 30 spa 32 3 2 2 29 617 300 300 300
Get a worse goalkeeper the same age to add in a reserve midfielder with zero potential? Garbage.
The more I look at what he is doing, the more it strikes me that action needs to be taken. This isn't like Chris where he is known for wild deals at times, this is a new guy ripping a team apart without even a hint of direction or planning.
No wonder managers aren't joining the debate, everyone is chomping at the bit to raid his team and he seems happy to oblige.
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