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Post by Dillon (OSA) on Mar 14, 2016 21:07:15 GMT
Keep our 5 scouts only this pre-season. Would like to see a 500 abs max donation on any players just to keep it interesting
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Post by johnraggett on Mar 14, 2016 21:28:01 GMT
I think this would be a really bad move for the game. It benefits rich clubs and will increase the divide. Currently the smaller teams can catch up over time by building youths, after this the rich teams will have all the best youths so this won't be possible. Not to mention the possibility of youths with x10 abs over a long season will create some absolute monsters! i would rather see a development that favour the smaller teams rather than the rich. Besides, in real life the best youths don't come from the rich teams academies, they come from smaller teams like Southampton, Spurs and West Ham who give their youngsters playing time... Don't Youths get x10 bonus now anyway?
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Post by Dillon (OSA) on Mar 14, 2016 21:32:12 GMT
I think this would be a really bad move for the game. It benefits rich clubs and will increase the divide. Currently the smaller teams can catch up over time by building youths, after this the rich teams will have all the best youths so this won't be possible. Not to mention the possibility of youths with x10 abs over a long season will create some absolute monsters! i would rather see a development that favour the smaller teams rather than the rich. Besides, in real life the best youths don't come from the rich teams academies, they come from smaller teams like Southampton, Spurs and West Ham who give their youngsters playing time... Don't Youths get x10 bonus now anyway? x6 EOS
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Post by harry@werderbremen on Mar 14, 2016 22:19:09 GMT
I think prices are too high.
In my opinion 25 mil. for only 1 additional ab per tackle/pass/shot/goal is a lot of money.
For instance my best performing youthie last season was Drogba. He had 76 shots and 10 goals. So his EOS bonus was 86 * 6 = 516. If I upgrade the academy to level 1 this coming season, and assuming his performance would be the same, he would get 86 * 7. That is 86 additional abs. The other 7 <21 players in my team would get about 60-70 abs, so the total gain when going up to level 1 would be somewhere between 500 and 600 abs per season. If I compare this to what kind of player I could buy for 25 mil., I think I'd spend my money on the transfer market.
Please correct me if my thinking is wrong.
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Mar 14, 2016 22:31:17 GMT
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Post by Ahmed@Real on Mar 14, 2016 22:59:40 GMT
I cant vote because I am not sure I understand it!!!
1- do we have 3 or 5 scouts and is that will change or not this season? 2- (level 0 - end of season bonuses for all players 21 and under = x 6 + Start of Season Scout Missions Available = 3) now is that mean the EOS are 12 (6+6) or stay 6 ? and do we got extra 3 scout? 3- Cost = 25,000,000 is that mean the same cost if you have 1 player or 5 player ? 4- if i did tow level then I decided to stop is that mean the extra EOS will be stop or what? and what if I decided to do level 3 after 5 season?
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Post by pom on Mar 15, 2016 1:09:26 GMT
We did have 5 scouts last season ( a one off ) as before there was always 3
I'm happy with the youth academy set up and have voted to bring it in this season
Will commit to bringing a level 1 for 25m straight away ( can't afford level 2 = 75m )
Ahmed
1- do we have 3 or 5 scouts and is that will change or not this season?
3 scouts for level 0 each season / 4 scouts per season for level 1 etc:
2- (level 0 - end of season bonuses for all players 21 and under = x 6 + Start of Season Scout Missions Available = 3) now is that mean the EOS are 12 (6+6) or stay 6 ? and do we got extra 3 scout?
level 0 = 6 abs EOS bonus and 3 scouts per season - (level 1 = 7 abs and 4 scouts per season) (level 2 = 8 abs and 5 scouts etc: )
3- Cost = 25,000,000 is that mean the same cost if you have 1 player or 5 player ?
25 million is a one off payment for level 1 ( to get level 2 you have to pay 25m for level 1 and a further 50m for level 2 ) 4- if i did tow level then I decided to stop is that mean the extra EOS will be stop or what? and what if I decided to do level 3 after 5 season?
Once you have payed for the academy they are yours forever - you can spend 250m to progress all the way to level 4 - once ou get to level 4 all your scouts will get 10 abs bonus and you have 7 scouts per year (every season)
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Post by pezza @ Marseille on Mar 15, 2016 7:01:47 GMT
It's always been 3 but last season you increased it to 5!!!
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Post by Ahmed@Real on Mar 15, 2016 7:59:50 GMT
It is good idea for me, but I thought we did add new rules to stop providing super star players to the game, and these Academies will bring Monsters, could you imagine what will be the case for these player for examples
M_McKay 17 sco 3 6 9 20 21 800 920 41 999 21 0 1995 2 0 0 5 19 130 18 2 0 0 0 93 T_Erak 17 usa 2 6 6 20 21 300 358 358 999 21 0 1995 4 0 0 4 8 143 19 0 2 0 0 93 Luke_Shaw 19 eng 3 24 8 7 23 700 314 372 166 30 0 2583 0 0 0 71 16 19 3 1 4 0 0 95 Hugo_Lloris 19 fra 24 3 2 3 13 752 400 400 400 21 0 2005 0 232 59 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 100
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Mar 15, 2016 8:05:05 GMT
It is good idea for me, but I thought we did add new rules to stop providing super star players to the game, and these Academies will bring Monsters, could you imagine what will be the case for these player for examples M_McKay 17 sco 3 6 9 20 21 800 920 41 999 21 0 1995 2 0 0 5 19 130 18 2 0 0 0 93 T_Erak 17 usa 2 6 6 20 21 300 358 358 999 21 0 1995 4 0 0 4 8 143 19 0 2 0 0 93 Luke_Shaw 19 eng 3 24 8 7 23 700 314 372 166 30 0 2583 0 0 0 71 16 19 3 1 4 0 0 95 Hugo_Lloris 19 fra 24 3 2 3 13 752 400 400 400 21 0 2005 0 232 59 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 100 But at the moment they are only x6 end of season awards, they would only gain x 10 per end of season ABS if there clubs paid 250 million to get to level 4
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Post by pom on Mar 15, 2016 8:18:45 GMT
Ahmed the 3 skill above age is still in place till they are 18 years old - so young players will gain the 1st team more quickly ( example odegaard 23 rated 18 year old last season I think - but the progression slows as they enter the 1st team )
Plus apart from a couple of clubs like yours no one is going to get upto level 4 for ages - so really the abs gained ( 1 or 2 abs per shot for example ) it will create some really good youngsters but them young players are going to be loaned out when they hit 23 rated - then it's upto the lower league clubs to demand a 'very high fee' to loan them for a season ...
So it's upto the lower league managers to demand high fees ( it's all an education for everyone - but it adds another dimension to clubs regarding loans & fees )
GK - Hugo_Lloris 19 fra 24 3 2 3 13 752 400 400 400 21
Ok - he will gain 1st team at a very young age - but what team is going to loan a 27 / 28 rated keeper unless it's for a considerable fee ( swings & roundabouts ) - it's about managers getting a good deal and what one manager thinks is a good deal may be too expensive for the other manager - so then the 'Elite' manager has to either play a lower rated player or sell him ..... ( That's the whole concept of it !!!! )
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Post by Ahmed@Real on Mar 15, 2016 10:15:55 GMT
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Post by Ahmed@Real on Mar 15, 2016 10:25:57 GMT
Just one last thing, the level thing is it for the manager or the players, I mean for example if we buy or sale (or loan) a player level 1 player is that mean that player still get the extra EOS
Maybe in this case we should stop loaning players use in the reserve team as well
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Post by pom on Mar 15, 2016 11:06:44 GMT
The level thing is for anyone developed at your training ground - ( you could have a level 4 training ground and your player A_Example has gained 10 abs for 55 passes = 550 abs - if you sold him to me (level one training ground)( A_Example would gain 7abs for every pass / so 55 passes = 385 abs )
Loans are the same anyone trained at your club will get abs = to the level of the training ground ....
(Don't think many deals will be done this way - but you never know managers might offer money to level 4 training grounds to increase the abs ( another dimension of the game )
The only complication I can see is that a youth player is sold during the season and then the abs would have to be worked out manually ( 15 games @ 10 abs + 12 games @ 7 abs)
Honestly think though these kind of deals will be scarce ....
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Post by pom on Mar 15, 2016 11:09:09 GMT
Just one last thing, the level thing is it for the manager or the players, I mean for example if we buy or sale (or loan) a player level 1 player is that mean that player still get the extra EOS Maybe in this case we should stop loaning players use in the reserve team as well It's for the club (managers or players are irrelevant) - once paid Real Madrid own it (works the same way as stadium increases once you got it - you got it forever !!!!
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