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Post by scott on Jul 21, 2010 14:35:26 GMT
Andie has it bang on.
Why let a team sell a few reserves outside the transfer market just for the sake of it? That doesnt make debt a punishment whatsoever.
Best player up to auction is my fave, but then again, is it just going to reward the richest club mid season? Possibly boosting a title bid?
I suggest something like, best player is "sold" to EFL for 5mil as a set fee.
That player then becomes a free agent and end of season bidding can start there.
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Post by Chris@Bayern Munich on Jul 21, 2010 15:03:07 GMT
I think scott has it spot on
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Post by johnraggett on Jul 21, 2010 16:13:49 GMT
Andie has it bang on. Why let a team sell a few reserves outside the transfer market just for the sake of it? That doesnt make debt a punishment whatsoever. Best player up to auction is my fave, but then again, is it just going to reward the richest club mid season? Possibly boosting a title bid? I suggest something like, best player is "sold" to EFL for 5mil as a set fee. That player then becomes a free agent and end of season bidding can start there. I think this is the best option going forward, although I don't know why the player has to wait until end of season to start biddng. 1) It's only fair the club in debt gets the full amount of cash for the player 2) It would make cash more valuable than it currently is, if managers know a star may pop up at any time.
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Post by scott on Jul 21, 2010 17:20:47 GMT
because it is a no go for transfers (im using now as an example) so its only fair imo.
outside of a transfer deadline then yh flog him
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Post by tone on Jul 21, 2010 19:51:17 GMT
why not get the league to pic a random player out of the team in debt and have that player raffled off with ticket prices set at 500k or 1mill(to be agreed) each, for those teams interested, then draw it out of a hat with the player going to winning ticket and all cash going to the club in debt that way you raise more money for that team than setting a fixed price.
if you have a top end player with a value of 5 mill set price i think its a bit hash to let him go for that, but if you raffle that player, 20 teams may want to buy a ticket then 20 mill -25%(cost for going into debt) will go to that team, but if only 5 teams buy a ticket then only 5 mill -25%(cost for going into debt) goes to that team to get them out of debt the winning ticket will get a bargain from the raffle, the punishment will be that the club will loose 25% of value and a player but will probably put them back in to the black ?? the richest teams are not guaranteed to win a auction gives everyone a chance
if the full amount of the debt is not covered after the 25% taken off then do another but this time a reserve
might sound a bit daft but it seams fair on all, thoughts
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Post by trulskaare on Jul 21, 2010 19:57:03 GMT
Alternatively, let the manager of the side in debt select three (or so) players for auction where he/she would have to sell as many of those as needed to gain the funds needed.
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Jul 21, 2010 20:11:32 GMT
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Jul 21, 2010 20:17:08 GMT
it was all talked about on the link below malkymckay.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=help&action=display&thread=576&page=1but it seems, even ive not lived up to the strong words of warning i set other managers, so it doesnt say much for me keeping on top of things, thats why as i said before the rules sections must be clear and up to date on all topics, cause as seen even i can fall behind and forget what some rules are...
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Post by trulskaare on Jul 21, 2010 22:01:11 GMT
The rules are fair in my opinion, but in order to enforce them, the finances have to be up-to-date every week. I have no idea how long any of these teams have been in debt and no notice was given when it happened.
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Post by johnraggett on Jul 21, 2010 22:36:20 GMT
Dont think anyone is disputing the current guidelines, just voicing opinions going forward. The rules are in place for now and have to be adhered to. Tone's suggestion is laughable, think he's showing his age, raffles? Might as well just have a game of bingo and be done with it!! I understand Scott's point where as if the window is shut its shut, but I was thinking regardless of time of year the star player goes up for auctio end of. Also back to Tones point, random slection is likely to pick a player not many folk ar einterested in, say div 3 side in debt randon draw picks middle of the road players, two enter draw, debt unlikely to be wiped. Still think a point/points deduction could be the best route, imagine the dent it would do to these clubs now.
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Post by 15saints on Jul 22, 2010 15:44:21 GMT
I think we should deduct one point for every £250,000 or part of.
ie £40,000 in debt deduct one point £300,000 deduct 2 points £1,100,000 deduct 5 points £1,800,000 deduct 8 points
However, that will still leave the clubs in debt?
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Post by Chris@Bayern Munich on Jul 22, 2010 17:14:00 GMT
I agree with point deduction. It would work
With regards to teams being still in debt once points have been taken away they start with a balance of 0 so basically a clean slate.
Or if they are still in debt end of season I say like in real life adminastration 10 points deduction for new season or maybe 5
Must say I do like the adminstration idea
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2010 12:07:17 GMT
The major point here is: When the transfer window is shut?
When it's not, then a manager can and will use there own discretion to clear that debt!
However apart from cashing in seats, there isnt actually anything a manager can do, when the transfer window is closed!
A team can be in debt from something as simple as, a clerical error! to blatenly dis-regarding finances!
It all depends on how harsh you want the punishment to be really?
I for 1 always make sure there's just enough cash to cover that period. However if i did go into debt i would like the opportunity to clear it! So i would flog seats TBH.
If i didnt take that opportunity then i dont think admin should do it for me. In that case, take a player off me! As its simple as this: If you knew your finances where low befroe the window was closing and done nowt about it and then when your given the oportunity to clear it by cashing in seats (an email) and you dont, then you loose a player! Simple!
So this is what i think the rule/s should be?
If a manager is in debt for more than 2weeks (2 league games) and doesnt take steps to personally clear it, then a player will be taken from your team with at least a value of 5mil payable by the EFL board. The player will be held till EOS by the board, where as he will be auctioned off at a starting price of 5mil, all managers can bid for the player, including the club he came from. Once the auction has finished, The funds generated will be paid to the EFL board ONLY.
However if a club goes into debt and has resulted in a player being auction off, at the start of the next league season will result in a 3 point decuction and a mark against a managers name. A manager who has been marked who falls into debt again (regardless of club) the penalties will double (10mil base value player and 6 points reduction) so on and so forth!
I can understand the point about top clubs could monopolize an auction but i think a player who has a base value of 5mil wouldnt exactly warant there attentions! However a 10mil player might??
Also these rules apply at any time! But when the window is shut they only have the option of cashing in seats! If they dont??
Thoughts
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Post by gazza on Aug 1, 2010 9:55:53 GMT
3 Teams in debt, do we have a resolution yet Malky ?
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Post by gazza on Aug 3, 2010 14:59:56 GMT
Anything ?
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