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Post by winzor @ Porto on Sept 18, 2014 12:33:57 GMT
Disappointed that Winzor missed his conditions. We would have liked to have won fair and square. Great effort from Newcastle to hold Real away. Loads of joker points lost on that one. Don't think it would have made much difference tbh mate, I sorted my team and tactic out early. was going to do the rest when I got in but ended up running later than expected would only have seen couple subs and likely the A tactic at the end. at best maybe sneaked a draw, but could easily have lost by more when going for it lol. another good game bud, all the best for rest of cup
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Post by trulskaare on Sept 19, 2014 7:17:40 GMT
Cheers mate. Still would have preferred the full force of Porto.
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Post by johnraggett on Sept 19, 2014 9:28:40 GMT
Well firstly happy with another convincing win in the cup. Messi once again outshining the better Huntelaar. The Dutch star is taking his time in settling, hopefully once he has half a season under his belt he'll settle, big step up from Ajax.
Now on to what seems the big issue. I think I'm in the champ of don't see a problem. I certainly don't see the problem playing defenders and strikers (with double figure secondaries) in the dm am roles. Although I don't think you are not gonna get the best of them players doing so.
My only concern would be the lack of an actual outright mid. But I'm sure this was brought up b4 and we agreed the dm am nullifies this so it's okay.
Tone hasn't tried to trick or cheat the game. Just stop a force smashing them which he luckily done. That game played 10 times more would see Real win them all I'm sure of that. Just look at the predictions, Tone had to do something a little different to stop them. In fact by playing 5 at the back he could argue he tried to sneak a win by not going the full 6 allowed.
I can see how it's frustrating for Ahmed but it's what you have to get used to being the best. I've had to find ways of beating teams who come and park the bus and enjoy the tactical challenge it brings.
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Post by Ahmed@Real on Sept 19, 2014 9:54:02 GMT
I can see how it's frustrating for Ahmed but it's what you have to get used to being the best. I've had to find ways of beating teams who come and park the bus and enjoy the tactical challenge it brings. Again is not about frustrating or wining, it is about what we could do and what is not, depend on what few managers think we dont need any MFs anymore because we could use only DFs and FWs instead. For example could we play this tactic 4-2-0-2-2 (6 DFs and 4 FWs) I think we should agree something here so will no more confusing anymore and everybody know where he stand, I know we just make it harder for Malky, but Malky should make it clear now so will be no excuse any more
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Post by scott777 on Sept 19, 2014 10:00:58 GMT
DMs and AMs ARE midfielders, they just have better secondaries and are usually used in a tactic to utilise those. They are still midfielders though.
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Post by bigdan on Sept 19, 2014 10:14:51 GMT
Again is not about frustrating or wining, it is about what we could do and what is not, depend on what few managers think we dont need any MFs anymore because we could use only DFs and FWs instead. For example could we play this tactic 4-2-0-2-2 (6 DFS and 4 FWs) I think we should agree something here so will no more confusing anymore and everybody know where he stand, I know we just make it harder for Malky, but Malky should make it clear now so will be no excuse any more Yes you can play that formation, but you would get very little possession because you have almost no players with any Ps. Unless of course you are like Tone and have been collecting triple skilled players for 19 seasons. It would be interesting to run some trial sims and see whether these radical formations are any use.
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Post by Ahmed@Real on Sept 19, 2014 10:16:52 GMT
DMs and AMs ARE midfielders, they just have better secondaries and are usually used in a tactic to utilise those. They are still midfielders though. So do you class these players as a DM J_Charlton 29 ire 2 30 12 8 A_Schulz 29 den 1 28 11 10 and this one as a AM J_T_Gavilán 31 hol 1 3 10 34 and could we use this player as DF or FW because he have secondaries M_Krohn_Dehli 30 hol 2 10 29 12
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Post by trulskaare on Sept 19, 2014 10:48:37 GMT
I don't see an issue with any of those options, Ahmed, but you'd be pretty stupid to play Dehli as DF or FW. Gavial would be a very interesting AM, but you'd get more out of him as a FW.
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Post by johnraggett on Sept 19, 2014 10:52:19 GMT
DMs and AMs ARE midfielders, they just have better secondaries and are usually used in a tactic to utilise those. They are still midfielders though. Yes but what Ahmed is saying is it okay to play a 25 12 as a DM and a 13 26 as an AM. I agree with Ahmed we need some clear clarification on this it's certainly raised a grey area in the game, which debates like this and managers trying something new is for the good of the game. Tone hasn't done anything wrong but he's highlighted something that could now be considered wrong, so let's have a debate on finding an answer. As Ahmed mentions is it okay for a team to line up 6-2-0-1-1 playing NO player that is actually a midfielder?
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Post by johnraggett on Sept 19, 2014 10:54:27 GMT
DMs and AMs ARE midfielders, they just have better secondaries and are usually used in a tactic to utilise those. They are still midfielders though. So do you class these players as a DM J_Charlton 29 ire 2 30 12 8 A_Schulz 29 den 1 28 11 10 and this one as a AM J_T_Gavilán 31 hol 1 3 10 34 and could we use this player as DF or FW because he have secondaries M_Krohn_Dehli 30 hol 2 10 29 12 Let's not get silly and over complicate things here. We are purely looking at the DM and AM roles. Off course you can not play Dehli as a defender or Striker. Let's stay on topic, a topic I think has valid arguments for both.
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Post by scott777 on Sept 19, 2014 11:01:55 GMT
If a manager is doing it with the intention of getting a result, then yet, I say let them go for it. As you say, 99/100 it would backfire as theyre playing at % of their stats that make it useless most of the time. The only issue is when a manager may use the above with the intention of getting hammered, IE Bryn The only real answer in my eyes is the manager in question needs to be able to justify their actions, which in this case, Tone has.
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Post by johnraggett on Sept 19, 2014 11:04:55 GMT
I agree Scott I think it is fine, it's when a manager lines up this way using say the P tactic with the aim to have to make as many tackles and exposure to their keeper. In fact I'd say you can only use the L tactic when setting up shop like this maybe D at a push.
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Post by John on Sept 19, 2014 14:54:33 GMT
Just a thought looking at real life Barcelona use Masherano a midfielder by trade but playing as centre back. Xabi Alonso a midfielder by trade playing centre back for Munich. I really don't see the problem with what tone has done here, all I'm seeing is a manager complain that he didn't win against a Div2 team take it on the chin and congratualate the guy!
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Post by tone on Sept 19, 2014 15:59:26 GMT
The only real answer in my eyes is the manager in question needs to be able to justify their actions, which in this case, Tone has. no
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Post by scott777 on Sept 20, 2014 6:59:07 GMT
No?
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