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Post by garfy on Jul 20, 2012 14:07:35 GMT
Division one
Roma. McCormick. 31.852 from 31.467 Everton. Turner. 35.655 from 34.909 Marseille. Higuita. 35.414 from 34.439 Juve. Buffon. 31.683 from 31.575 Rangers. Snelders. 28.319 from 28.094 Aberdeen. Flowers. 31.478 from 29.793 (1300 abs bonus) Spurs. Cesar. 33.976 from 33.901 Werder. Marshall. 32.575 from 32.135
Flowers had youth bonus. Also keepers in elite or division one may have received EOS bonus also not accounted for
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Post by Stu on Jul 20, 2012 14:19:34 GMT
Bayern. Cech. 42.372 from 40.892 + 1480 pnts Santos. Jensen. 38.247 from 37.016 + 1231 pnts Madrid. Mulen. 38.176 from 37.505 + 671 pnts Barca. Proto. 34.847 from 34.057 + 790 pnts Valencia. Banks. 35.763 from 34.865 + 898 pnts Inter. Green. 34.203 from 33.607 + 596 pnts Ajax. Dudek. 36.466 from 35.742 + 724 pnts Porto. Baia. 33.765 from 33.380 +385 pnts which is an average of 846 points per keeper per season so if you take the keepers Malky highlighted then in 5 seasons they could look like this msl R_Higuita 28 col 39 2 2 2 34 nwt L_Fabianski 29 ven 39 8 4 7 14 brc Silvio_Proto 28 bel 38 3 1 3 15 wbn A_Marshall 29 sco 36 4 6 5 11 abn T_Flowers 27 eng 35 2 2 1 27 amn Belushi 29 sen 35 8 8 5 11 hts D_Marshall 28 sco 35 7 5 7 14 sun E_Van_d_Sar 27 nig 34 5 5 7 14 amd A_Zogbo 27 ivc 33 4 3 2 11 fyd D_Anderson 27 sco 33 4 1 5 19
Some of those are bordering Lloris figures and by retirement could be around msl R_Higuita 37 col 46 2 2 2 34 nwt L_Fabianski 37 ven 45 8 4 7 14 brc Silvio_Proto 37 bel 45 3 1 3 15 wbn A_Marshall 37 sco 41 4 6 5 11 abn T_Flowers 37 eng 42 2 2 1 27 amn Belushi 37 sen 40 8 8 5 11 hts D_Marshall 37 sco 41 7 5 7 14 sun E_Van_d_Sar 37 nig 41 5 5 7 14 amd A_Zogbo 37 ivc 41 4 3 2 11 fyd D_Anderson 37 sco 41 4 1 5 19
I wouldn't see many people scoring in the elite league. Apart from Arrache! ;D
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Jul 20, 2012 15:10:16 GMT
To me the keepers look to be fine! Nice steady pace throughout the season, I'd expect to see those results on how the teams have performed! Marseille have got to two cup finals so there keeper has played more games
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Jul 20, 2012 15:14:05 GMT
Hopefully those elite stats and the highlighted played theory will make people stand up now and see what's going to happen to the game!
Now for a solution?
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Post by winzor @ Porto on Jul 20, 2012 16:01:45 GMT
Elite League Bayern. Cech. 42.372 from 40.892 Santos. Jensen. 38.247 from 37.016 Madrid. Mulen. 38.176 from 37.505 Barca. Proto. 34.847 from 34.057 Valencia. Banks. 35.763 from 34.865 Inter. Green. 34.203 from 33.607 Ajax. Dudek. 36.466 from 35.742 Porto. Baia. 33.765 from 33.380 as i said....... the best just get better. the rest dont really gain. what is the way the abs are awarded for keepers?
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Post by Lee (Marseille) on Jul 20, 2012 16:24:58 GMT
Don't think people see the point top players are going to be in the top leagues we can't keep stoping managers who have spent season after season looking after there players while the lower leagues just say its not fair they have better players than we do
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Jul 20, 2012 16:32:03 GMT
Don't think people see the point top players are going to be in the top leagues we can't keep stoping managers who have spent season after season looking after there players while the lower leagues just say its not fair they have better players than we do im not trying to stop a divide, its realistic to have the gap between Elite and Division Three! and teams have the best players due to hard work all these seasons, im trying to stop managers leaving when no one can score a goal against certain teams! when this game started no one could ever predict it running this long and no one could predict how fast or slow players would progress, thats why things must be tweaked every season or every few seasons to bring it back into line im shocked in a way ive never heard from any manager that 'has' one of these players saying 'right my players going to be a skill 46 by the times he's 30 and its going to cause problems what can i do' i understand no one wants to lose there best players or have them reduced etc, but look what Andie @ valencia did and we all agreed it was the correct move, so can we not see it with any other keepers now?
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Post by Lee (Marseille) on Jul 20, 2012 16:45:00 GMT
It's not the odd one there is quite a few but my argument is there are strikers out there 30 + who will benefit even more if the keepers are reduced and people aint mentioning that my keeper has not gained much this season after playing more games than most and when we play bayern in the finals I'm sure he will lose abs
Just think if keepers get stats deducted it has to be across the board
Just can see managers leaving because they seem to get new rules an changes all the time ie ahmed I bet he's more than had enough by now and do we really want to lose these top managers
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Jul 20, 2012 18:10:42 GMT
I can never stop any managers from leaving but if we never kept an eye on things or changed rules and just left things as they were the game would end before its time and I would get the blame for not noticing things in time or before they happened, I'm sure most managers can see what I'm trying to do! And with respect there has been rule changes forced into the game due to managers trying to 'use' systems and underlying agendas to improve there sqauds and individual players faster!
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Post by Lee (Marseille) on Jul 20, 2012 18:23:20 GMT
I can see what your trying to do mate I'm not aiming it at you as I think you have and are doing a cracking job and I no you will do what is needed!
Just a few people on here banging on about the bigger and smaller clubs being to far apart
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Post by winzor @ Porto on Jul 20, 2012 18:49:05 GMT
I can see what your trying to do mate I'm not aiming it at you as I think you have and are doing a cracking job and I no you will do what is needed! Just a few people on here banging on about the bigger and smaller clubs being to far apart and where has anyone mentioned that too? apart from not wanting them to get even further behind by reducing their attendances?
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Post by Stu on Jul 20, 2012 18:58:04 GMT
I think the current divide is fine and realistic, we have clubs who punch above their weight and clubs under performing. As Winzor said the only comments I've seen is towards not making that divide any further than it should be. If we do you'll probably get more managers leave than if we make a change that effects the game in general to fix a long term issue.
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Post by Lee (Marseille) on Jul 20, 2012 19:15:08 GMT
I can see what your trying to do mate I'm not aiming it at you as I think you have and are doing a cracking job and I no you will do what is needed! Just a few people on here banging on about the bigger and smaller clubs being to far apart and where has anyone mentioned that too? apart from not wanting them to get even further behind by reducing their attendances? haha you mentioned it about 5 posts ago do you ever see bury moaning about man city having bigger crowds or better players than them?
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Post by winzor @ Porto on Jul 20, 2012 19:21:46 GMT
and where has anyone mentioned that too? apart from not wanting them to get even further behind by reducing their attendances? haha you mentioned it about 5 posts ago [glow=red,2,300]do you ever see bury moaning about man city having bigger crowds or better players than them[/glow]? try getting your facts straight fella. said the best get better. players, not teams. the fact is these very high rated eepers are aiing more and more with the clean sheets etc, where as the rest will never catch up. and the highlighted comment is ridiculous. if we start reducing the attendances for lower league teams and take awaymuh needed financ from them............... it will get stupidly hard for them to get anywhere you want to play a game that realistic then go play football manager
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Post by Lee (Marseille) on Jul 20, 2012 19:29:54 GMT
your one to talk anyway pal you wanted to loan all your best young players out to gain more abs in the lower leagues to get your own players better and how is that playing the game in good spirt?
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