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Post by Malky(Admin) on Aug 3, 2012 6:27:08 GMT
IMO there are only two options, 1. Skill Cap Keepers 38,39 remember keepers are now progressing at a better rate so we are not going to end up with loads of keepers capped at the same time, also this Cap can be lifted once a) there age catches up a bit or b) forwards progression means the cap can be lifted in line with forwards skills!
Remember guys apart for a handful of forwards the majority have forwards between 20-26 so trying to score into a skill 40+ is never going to work! It has been said results should be calculated yes by your whole team but IMO more to do with your outfield players than a super keeper! So keepers must show a realistic balance to the rest of the skills!
2. Either Skills are reduced or ages increased! Or a combination of both!
We should not see this as victimisation or any club being picked on, yes some managers have worked hard and 'made' these keepers but I keep repeating myself 'we have to look at the future and the bigger picture'
Some clubs will be effected and other won't, I've heard about skill drops across the board but the game doesn't have problems in all outfield positions!
But we must find a solution and the correct one as I'm not going to deal with this every season!
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Post by trulskaare on Aug 4, 2012 10:25:23 GMT
The best keepers gained most of their ability prior to the reduction in ability rate which came into play last season. I believe the best option would be to reduce all keepers by a certain percentage and leave it at that. I don't think progression is too rapid at the moment and don't see a future problem. Perhaps a 15-20% skill reduction is about right?
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Post by trulskaare on Aug 4, 2012 10:33:24 GMT
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Post by Ahmed@Real on Aug 4, 2012 10:53:58 GMT
I think Skill Cap Keepers 38,39 is just not fair and that really affect the game in bad way, the price for any players depend on his rate and his age, we talk lots about the keepers last two season, the fair way is deduct the 10% from all keepers, everyone will be happy and treated in the same way, will not be affect just few teams work herds to have them keepers, and now suddenly we change the rules and give them the two fingers, we need to be fair always
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Aug 4, 2012 17:10:01 GMT
But guys say we deduct 10% from all keeper and take the skills 38's down a couple of skills, in two or three seasons they may be right back up to skill 40 again and still only 25, 26 years of age! So how is that fixing the problem? Its only fixing it for two or three seasons then we are back to the same point! The whole point of the problem is we don't want skill 40+ keepers in the game while forwards etc are still too low in comparison apart from two or three forwards that could score against them! Can you not see that?
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Post by trulskaare on Aug 4, 2012 18:55:45 GMT
I fail to see the problem, Malky. Keepers don't progress too fast anymore, so if there is a 15-20% reduction in skill, it should sort the 'problem'. Do you think keepers are progressing too fast still? Perhaps reduce them by 25-30% then, or maybe take them out of the game all together where we all have a 35 rated keeper which doesn't increase or decrease in age or skill; problem solved!
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Post by garfy on Aug 4, 2012 19:09:11 GMT
For me it's a hard cap. The more recent keepers may never reach that cap and the beasts that exist presently will not get out of hand
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Post by loba on Aug 5, 2012 1:11:40 GMT
also i think where some of the keepers developed was when donation was made managers were given 2000 abs and some managers might of donated 2 kills to their GK and every season you do that and you will have a monster of keeper. Also skill capping should be set at 35-36 or just increase the ability of Strikers and defenders and problem solved
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Post by harry@werderbremen on Aug 5, 2012 9:15:26 GMT
also i think where some of the keepers developed was when donation was made managers were given 2000 abs and some managers might of donated 2 kills to their GK and every season you do that and you will have a monster of keeper. Also skill capping should be set at 35-36 or just increase the ability of Strikers and defenders and problem solved And lower the donation max from 1000 per donation to 500 per season on main skill, or something like that. Not only for GK's, but all players.
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Post by Ahmed@Real on Aug 5, 2012 11:43:57 GMT
I don’t think we need to talk about the donation, the new rules we made last few season stop bring any monster so that is not the problem, deduct 10% from all keeper will solve the problem for three season like Malky said but Keepers don't progress too fast anymore and we can slow them again if we think they still progress fast, if we say we cap the keeper season 15 then cap the striker season 16 then cap the midfielder season 17 then cap the defender season 18 in season 20 we all have similar rated players just deferent names, why we take the fun from our league by add more rules, we will fix the problem temporarily but we make more problems for the future
by the way I still dislike the new rules for the loan in/out ;D ;D
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Post by Lee (Marseille) on Aug 5, 2012 12:19:51 GMT
Have to agree with Ahmed think the game will become a bit boring having caps and players all the same level, think it will take the edge off a very good game we have now
We just never can plan for the futer as new rules and regs come in and put a stop to what you try to achive
Still think 3 loans is good but would like to see no limits in the reserves so you can build players on your own but not let the reserves get as much abs and stop the swapping from main to reserves only for injury or suspension
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Post by garfy on Aug 6, 2012 7:05:16 GMT
Interesting how the difference of opinion seems to follow the haves and the have nots.
Keepers capped and maximum 3 loans in or out would still be my way forward.
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Post by gazza on Aug 6, 2012 10:26:25 GMT
Capped keepers and 3 in 3 out for loans, totally agree, could maybe soften the blow for some and let them use a certain number of over skilled players in the reserves, just a thought ?
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Post by Lee (Marseille) on Dec 8, 2013 21:43:24 GMT
Any idea when these caps will be lifted?
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Post by gazza on Dec 8, 2013 22:05:33 GMT
Any idea when these caps will be lifted? Hopefully not anytime soon, from my own selfish point of view my strikers are struggling to score against the super keepers. Cut loans in and out to 2, and allow teams three over skilled 23/27 outfield/goalkeeper in their reserves.
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