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Post by gazza on Jul 23, 2012 10:06:11 GMT
We are talking stats and formulas, and fior that reason im out !!
Reckon keepers are fine at the moment, maybe we are 1 or 2 season premature in changing things, is such a fine balance between right and wrong and the scores we have seen this season are probably the most realistic ever.
There are more important tweaks required at this exact stage in elite.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 10:46:33 GMT
my average was base purely on the keepers I have had and over long periods of time. In the long term they do average out to around 8/900 per season, one season they can be immense the next poor and there's also the fact the better they become they do more. Another factor to consider is EOS awards also.
So i would say 1 skill point is a good average for a season for goalkeepers, that's what I aim for? in fact for any position!
You could lower retirement age or put a cap in, or monitor the situation but being honest age them and the problem goes! It's as simple as that!
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Post by bigdan on Jul 23, 2012 10:46:52 GMT
Reckon keepers are fine at the moment, maybe we are 1 or 2 season premature in changing things, is such a fine balance between right and wrong and the scores we have seen this season are probably the most realistic ever. There are more important tweaks required at this exact stage in elite. I think the point is that we make the change now, BEFORE it becomes a problem. Yes the keepers are fine at the moment, but the few super keepers will become a problem in the future. And if we have a possible future rule change / rerate / etc hanging over us, no-one will know what to do with these keepers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 10:48:58 GMT
and it needs doing now so it is fair and we can adjust.
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Post by bigdan on Jul 23, 2012 10:49:04 GMT
You could lower retirement age or put a cap in, or monitor the situation but being honest age them and the problem goes! It's as simple as that! Ageing would be less painful in the short term for those affected.
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Post by gazza on Jul 23, 2012 10:52:34 GMT
Looking at attendances again, only Porto Rangers and Aberdeen have posted profits from attendances matched against wages,
Some teams are making huge losses and will have to cut budgets, if attendances are cut throughout the divisions depending on league or form then i reckon the smaller teams will suffer greatly.
Some teams are losing almost £15million per season !
I think more money has to be driven towards the lower leagues in the form of sponsorship and bonuses to address the balance of power.
Real Madrid and Barcelona are the exception due to their massive stadiums !!
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Post by Stu on Jul 23, 2012 10:55:19 GMT
I think a cap at 40rated is the best option over all as if they reach that figure in a few seasons it then doesn't matter how many seasons they have left in the game they won't get any higher.
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Post by theo on Jul 23, 2012 11:32:24 GMT
I like the cap at 40 idea. Its not perfect but it is the cleanest solution, I dont think there will be tons of 40 rated keepers around since its quite hard to progress that quickly...
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Post by bigdan on Jul 23, 2012 11:43:32 GMT
Looking at attendances again, only Porto Rangers and Aberdeen have posted profits from attendances matched against wages, Some teams are making huge losses and will have to cut budgets, if attendances are cut throughout the divisions depending on league or form then i reckon the smaller teams will suffer greatly. Some teams are losing almost £15million per season ! I think perhaps you have forgotten the cup gates Gazza? According to Malky's post here: malkymckay.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=newspaper&thread=3099&post=24314the situation is not as bas as you think. But yes there are teams losing money - Santos being particularly bad and Bayern only just breaking even!
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Post by pom on Jul 23, 2012 12:06:46 GMT
Looking at attendances again, only Porto Rangers and Aberdeen have posted profits from attendances matched against wages, Some teams are making huge losses and will have to cut budgets, if attendances are cut throughout the divisions depending on league or form then i reckon the smaller teams will suffer greatly. Some teams are losing almost £15million per season ! I think perhaps you have forgotten the cup gates Gazza? According to Malky's post here: malkymckay.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=newspaper&thread=3099&post=24314the situation is not as bas as you think. But yes there are teams losing money - Santos being particularly bad and Bayern only just breaking even! That stat doesn't mean anything since Santos had only played a few home games against the 'lower' teams with one exception So i wouldn't read too much into that - Santos lost this season about 6m (wages / attendances) but that was due mainly to a lot of away cup matches and losing - (normally i'm making a profit) but add the sponsorship money and we are in the black .... so it's not a problem anyway
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 17:07:09 GMT
I like the cap at 40 idea. Its not perfect but it is the cleanest solution, I dont think there will be tons of 40 rated keepers around since its quite hard to progress that quickly... Sorry bud but the whole cap at 40 is a cop out and totally unrealistic, in my opinion, because if that's the case I could have kept Lloris who was my best player for another 14 seasons. He only conceded 7 goals at 40 rated and in the grand scheme of things could have won us a fair few games this season? Out of all players goal keepers are the only players who potentially could surpass the 42 skill mark, there's a few outfield players who could but would need excellent ab increases season after season after season. However the game engine max is 50 rated, so if we have the odd player mid 45 at retirement age that would be acceptable. Going along the whole 40 cap, we could see at least 2 keepers reaching that by the end of next season, then a few seasons after another 3/4 few seasons after that possibly another 5. That's possibly 10 teams out of 32 that would conceded 1 goal every 3 games on average. I could go on but i'll leave it there for now! I personally would sit down age the whole lot, if it was up to me(it's not). I think progression is near spot on now and we have rules in place to avoid stupid players being developed. So once the keeper thing is sorted, we can move on and improve the game. For the record I play PBeMFF and think the whole keeper thing has been dealt with wrongly! They rolled back keeper skills changed the ab gains/losses and now every league has scored loads, conceded more and keepers decrease on a weekly/fortnightly basis. Changing league sizes didn't help either lmao It's a fine balance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 17:33:10 GMT
As for all the other stuff:
Loans: 3 in 3 out (agree)
Finances: no problem
T-sheet: prefer default wins (no bonuses)
Fitness: a greater decrease for all or the old. lol
Seeding: not bothered
Suggestions for the future: youth academy? Ticket pricing ie season tickets? Scout hiring/star rating? Scout discount depending on what league your in?? letters after players names to indicate who's on loan or retiring etc? What referee you have prior to the game??? Friendlies (abs/fitness included)? just a few for now?
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Post by pezza @ Marseille on Jul 23, 2012 17:42:59 GMT
out of interest - what happened to Lloris?
he was retired? what compensaion did valencia receive?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 17:58:33 GMT
he was retired at 23yrs 41rated
and those loans you hav,e was the compensation!
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Post by pezza @ Marseille on Jul 23, 2012 18:07:18 GMT
not so bad then! lol
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