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Post by Malky(Admin) on Jul 19, 2012 15:57:56 GMT
Right lads as we approach the end of another season and about to go into a new era in Elite Football League there are certain parts of the game that need addressed NOW!
there is no point starting another season when known problems are staring us in the face and we are doing nothing about it!
everyone is happy to go along but before we know it certain issues in the game may bring it to its knees
so im opening this discussion up yet again for everyone to air there views! and one way or another by the start of next season this issue and any others will be fixed before EFL goes onto the next level!
No beating about the bush! we dont want to see another H_Lloris !
for those who dont know H_Lloris was retired from the game at the end of last season as a skill 41 keeper aged 23
if we do not address this problem more keepers in the system will soon be this level and no goals will be scored against these teams or very very little!
so can everyone take the blinkers off and think about a solution for the good of the games long term existence!
there will me a massive announcement very soon regarding Elite Football League and there will over the next month be changes, everything will be covered , rules will be looked over in depth and nothing missed, some rules will be changed, things will be added and things will be removed
season 15 will be the start of something new, fresh but working well to ensure it runs for seasons to come
so what i need everyone to do is look around all the squads and identify 'problem' players and list them! not just keepers, but all positions and youth players
when we have a list we will look at everything that has been discussed and find a solution that will benefit everyone!
if it means compensation, players, cash, thats what will need to be done!
i know some of you have used hard work to get your keepers to this level, but think of the bigger picture, a players max skill level is 50, new scouted players coming into the game range from say 15-24
if loads of keepers hit skill 40-50 then no skill 24 is ever going to score, so lets address the problem NOW!
if it means setting up Polls etc then lets discuss it first and then have a vote, but we have to be on the same path, there is no point having a vote if 32 managers all think differently!
other discussions that need address are
1. Is Playing Against The T Tactic Fair? is there any other way? managers who sheet every week could win league or get relegated cause there rivals have picked up easy 3 points against non sheeters! can we stop this?
2. FA Cup seeding format! never been popular with managers! would it be better looking at past 3-5 seasons FA Cup performances? a points table for rounds reached, then seed on that? league performances over 3-5 seasons? lets hear your thoughts?
3. Attendances/Stadiums is it realistic? should 7th v 8th in division 3 produce a near sell out? should attendances drop or improve for promoted and relegated teams? if you have 80,000 turning up in the elite league and you get relegated, should you still have 80,000 turning up in division one? or should the fans turn and 55,000 only turn up?
lets get this discussion going
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Post by Stu on Jul 19, 2012 16:34:00 GMT
This is all under keepers under 25 years old msl R_Higuita 23 col 35 2 2 2 34 nwt L_Fabianski 24 ven 35 8 4 7 14 brc Silvio_Proto 23 bel 34 3 1 3 15 wbn A_Marshall 24 sco 32 4 6 5 11 abn T_Flowers 22 eng 31 2 2 1 27 amn Belushi 24 sen 31 8 8 5 11 hts D_Marshall 23 sco 31 7 5 7 14 sun E_Van_d_Sar 22 nig 30 5 5 7 14 amd A_Zogbo 22 ivc 29 4 3 2 11 fyd D_Anderson 22 sco 29 4 1 5 19 lyn A_Guaita 24 spa 28 3 2 2 29 osa F_Foster 23 eng 28 2 4 4 16 rfc T_Snelders 24 hol 28 2 3 4 16 evn J_Hunter 22 eng 27 4 1 1 37 vla C_Clark 24 sco 26 4 2 3 38 bfar M_Eardley 23 eng 25 5 1 2 19 jvt M_De_Sanctis 24 ita 25 8 5 5 14 asvr P_Hankey 23 eng 24 3 3 5 19 chs R_Edgehill 24 eng 24 2 5 2 12 fcpr Z_Stonewall 20 por 24 2 2 2 22 rfcr M_Steklenburg 19 hol 24 3 1 1 32 fydr L_Camp 24 ger 23 3 4 4 10 jvtr Tiribocchi 22 ita 23 3 3 4 19 rmdr V_Mannone 24 nig 23 5 3 1 30 wbnr S_Mielitz 21 ger 23 3 3 3 14 abnr F_Eggington 20 sco 22 3 2 2 33 htsr D_de_Gea 19 ita 22 2 3 3 38 irmr S_Assenjo 19 spa 22 3 3 4 34 mslr H_Lloris 20 fra 22 2 3 1 27 amnr Keeper01 23 ita 21 4 5 1 11 nwtr K_Schmeichel 21 spa 21 2 3 3 13 sunr M_Vorm 23 ned 21 3 3 2 14 ajar I_Walker 18 fra 20 3 2 2 23 asrr P_Gulacsi 20 hun 20 2 3 3 33 bnmr K_Westwood 24 ger 20 4 1 4 15 cfc R_McGlinchy 22 sco 20 4 2 3 17 cfcr O_Giroud 20 fra 20 3 3 2 27 fydr E_Mulder 22 hol 20 4 1 4 17 mslr P_Lodewijks 24 hol 20 4 1 3 11 rfc G_Adam 23 sco 20 5 1 2 19 sfcr Barbosa 21 bra 20 4 2 4 19 brcr N_Sullivan 23 spa 19 2 2 2 17 irmr H_Duyan 24 eng 19 4 1 4 15 mslr C_Weale 22 fra 19 2 4 2 15 tth J_Hart 23 eng 19 3 3 3 20 evnr J_Reina 17 spa 18 2 3 1 18 wbnr F_Wiedwald 23 ger 18 2 2 2 35 amdr Carlos 23 spa 17 4 1 4 17 arnr D_James 15 eng 17 2 2 3 26 nwtr N_S_Fletcher 19 eng 17 1 4 3 25 vlar J_Hartock 22 ita 17 2 3 4 18 abnr B_Vamm 24 sco 16 4 5 5 12 ajar Keeper01 22 hol 16 4 4 2 18 amdr W_Thompson 21 sco 16 5 4 1 13 arnr Keeper02 21 eng 16 4 4 1 21 irmr Keeper02 24 ita 16 5 5 2 11 lplr F_Tony 24 spa 16 4 5 2 22 rmdr B_Strang 24 sco 16 2 5 1 15 shk B_Chin 18 ger 16 2 3 1 31 amnr Keeper02 23 ita 15 2 5 1 15 asrr J_Kitty 22 ger 15 5 5 7 14 bfa F_Chan 23 eng 15 3 4 2 14 bfar S_Castro 23 col 15 3 4 4 12 brcr Keeper03 23 spa 15 2 4 2 17 brcr J_Menez 16 ita 15 2 1 2 20 fcpr Keeper03 23 por 15 5 1 2 19 fcpr Kepler 24 por 15 4 1 4 15 mslr Keeper02 23 spa 15 3 3 4 12 osar Keeper03 22 spa 15 3 2 3 10 rfcr N_Alexander 22 sco 15 3 5 1 19 rmdr Keeper01 23 hol 15 2 4 2 12 sunr N_Millan 15 chi 15 1 2 1 19 vlar Felipe 14 arg 15 2 2 2 17 wbnr Keeper03 23 ger 15 4 5 5 12 wbnr Keeper04 24 ger 15 3 4 4 20 asr J_Lewis 16 eng 14 2 3 1 25 asvr Keeper01 16 eng 14 2 2 1 41 lynr J_Mitchell 19 sco 14 3 2 2 29 mslr Keeper01 18 fra 14 2 3 5 22 asvr P_Out 22 sco 12 5 4 7 14
Some high skilled keepers not far behind Loris
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Post by gazza on Jul 19, 2012 18:09:25 GMT
Max loans in/out = 3
Lower attendances in the lower leagues
Goalkeepers capped at 35 Rated until strikers catch up a bit, maybe 5 seasons ? Or maybe all strikers have 3 rating points added immediately.
Youth Academy incentive, maybe if you buy a facility then younger players could get triple or quadruple Abs at the end of each season depending on facilty purchased.
Some kind of incentive for lower league clubs to help them progress and catch up with the big clubs, would make them more appealling to manage.
Fitness levels to drop more after each game, it's quite easy to manage teams fitness at the moment, maybe keepers fitness drops as well , would encourage more use of other keepers in squads.
Will try and think of some more, some good some maybe not so, but my tuppence worth.
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Post by trulskaare on Jul 19, 2012 18:13:09 GMT
Here are my first opinions:
T-Tactic - Should remain as it is. Managers who don't sheet don't deserve a chance. Perhaps there could be a financial penalty too to help prevent repeat offenders.
FA Cup Seeding - Anything but the current system, please! Ideally it should just be based on the previous season’s standings.
Attendance - Should depend on performance and which division you're in. It doesn't make sense to have a 3rd Division team with a higher attendance than an Elite side just because their stadium is bigger. I do think that finances would need looking at though, because it wouldn't be nice if lower league sides had to struggle more than they already do. Perhaps increase the income in the top divisions and leave as it is in lower leagues.
Play Off Spot - Please remove. With so few teams and games, it's annoying that in the final game, you could, potentially, end up with a playoff spot for promotion OR relegation. Because of this, there are only two safe spots in Div1 and 2. If leagues were larger, this would be more logical.
Player Progression -
Keepers - I feel they're progressing at a steady rate now.
Defenders - They're increasing too quickly and we'll end up with a similar problem to what we had with keepers eventually.
Midfielders - Progressing at a steady rate.
Forwards - Progressing too slowly, so we'll never see great strikers like RVN in the future (bar Ahmed's monster)
Youth Bonus - It's too easy to build a young super striker. Although they don't progress much after bonus, it's quite possible to develop a super striker through the current system. Perhaps we should only award bonus points for goals rather than shots and goals. Alternatively, maybe 10 points for every 5 shots or 3 goals.
League Size - I'm still keen on larger leagues, but I'm not sure if it's logistically possible.
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Post by Lee (Marseille) on Jul 19, 2012 18:34:15 GMT
I'm in the same boat as bryn tbh not a big fan of talking players out the game when I don't see any monsters in the game any more
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Post by gazza on Jul 19, 2012 18:55:12 GMT
Seed from best team to the last team throughout the leagues, thinthk its the best and most accurate way of seeding.
Also agree on the T tactic remaining, its the best option and most fair to the opposing side that match.
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Post by pezza @ Marseille on Jul 19, 2012 19:19:46 GMT
Keep T's - it's only fair to punish missed sheets
Punish errors with a fine, say 100K per error, it adds extra time for Malky and a fine might make managers check the sheets twice or use the available utilities
Reduce all keepers to 30 rated and use this as the maximum allowed (even allow managers to use removed abs on other players??/) and any keeper aged 23 or below is reduced to 23 rated but allowed to grow from now until they hit 30. This can be reviewed when strikers catch up to this sort of level.
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Post by Lee (Marseille) on Jul 19, 2012 19:21:33 GMT
On the T tactic would prefer a heavy fine as think it not fair on the other teams who then play them back at full strength
On the leagues would defo prefer 2 larger leagues with 4 down 4 up, 3 auto and 1 via playoffs from position 4-7
Also with fa cup do the seeds from this season then if we had say if you finish top 8 in the elite you auto go in the top seeds for the following season then pushing every one down a place gives you a bit of insentive to keep pushing on
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Post by Lee (Marseille) on Jul 19, 2012 19:23:54 GMT
Keep T's - it's only fair to punish missed sheets Punish errors with a fine, say 100K per error, it adds extra time for Malky and a fine might make managers check the sheets twice or use the available utilities Reduce all keepers to 30 rated and use this as the maximum allowed (even allow managers to use removed abs on other players??/) and any keeper aged 23 or below is reduced to 23 rated but allowed to grow from now until they hit 30. This can be reviewed when strikers catch up to this sort of level. Bit harsh to pull any keeper 23 under to 30 without doing same to every keeper there are still 37 rated keepers out there who ain't much older
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Post by garfy on Jul 19, 2012 19:29:40 GMT
From reading through the rules my thoughts:
From the top:
Cup replays should be played within 48 hours of the first fixture.
Playoffs - should be scrapped. Two up and Two down.(League changes too much)
Awards: Top scorer, Assists, Tackles etc should not receive the abs. They should go to the team - and the manager can apply them to youth players (Best just get better)
Player of the Season to remain unchanged.
Player Retirements: Players lose 500 abs in penultimate season, and 1000 abs at start of their final season.(Players are never best at end of career)
Reserve Team Cup Competition
Scouts - Division 2 and 3 clubs should have 4 scouts Cost of scouted players should be reduced
Loans - Maximum of 3 per club IN or OUT
Reserve Players can not be more than 2 skills higher then their age. No limit to first team. (Stops monsters being grown in the reserves)
(Then read the others are saw some similar and better ideas)
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Post by Stu on Jul 19, 2012 19:37:24 GMT
T Sheets – Keep as is with reduced skills and no points but as suggested add a fine of say 500K per sheet.
Goalkeepers – I think they need capping as any more than 33/34 rated is too high unless you have a top striker.
Leagues – Would prefer 2 divisions with 4 up and down, 3 go up automatically and one via playoff between 4th and 5th in 2nd league or 4th in div 2 and 13th in first league.
Cup – Most people seem to want to seed via league position of previous season so I’m happy with that.
Unused scout missions – I would take all of last seasons unused missions at the start of each season and scout under 16’s then I would start at the team who finished bottom of the leagues and give them the best youth player for the cost of the release fee then work your way up until all players are gone, this would give the lower clubs a little help each season to grow the squad and get a potential star they can sell on or grow.
Attendances - I would say keep them as they are, the elite teams already get a bonus from the increased ticket prices over lower teams so penalising them further would only hurt the game, if you want to lower the average attendances in lower leagues then ticket prices for all leagues should be equal.
Loans - 3 in or out is the ideal number
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Post by Malky(Admin) on Jul 19, 2012 19:38:31 GMT
I'm fine with reading defenders are progressing too fast and forwards too slow etc, but you need to back this up! All the squads history is there from the end of last season, and you have all this seasons squads, so why not goto the top 10 pages and pick the top 5 from tackles passes and shots and see how many abs these players have been awarded from the end of last season, only then could he see if any are progressing more, on average defender are making 25-35 tackles per season, some a lot less, while midfielder and forwards are making much more passes and shots, plus they are rewarded for assists and goals! So I can't see that defenders are gaining too much! I think we fixed the keepers last season and they are running fine this season, being rewarded for clean sheets and punished for goals conceded! Its the keepers created before the fixes were put in place! You can't tell me a skill 38 keeper aged 23 isn't going to be a problem very soon
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Post by garfy on Jul 19, 2012 20:03:07 GMT
At risk of being stoned:
Reduce all keepers to SKILL=AGE+2; leave any that are SKILL<=AGE+1 Those aged 30plus should be reduced by a factor also - say 20% unless rule above then applies?
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Post by Stu on Jul 19, 2012 20:03:41 GMT
I think players are progressing ok now, as you say it's the ones who got so good before you tweaked things that will become the issue, I think a cap is probably the best idea.
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Post by Lee (Marseille) on Jul 19, 2012 20:08:41 GMT
lower the cap then but then there sre strikers out there 30+ and how do you slow them down as they will score more and gain more abbs
also the reserve scores that are coming out with stupid scor lines in div1 think one game was 10-8
at one point people didnt want as many goals so it got changed now theres not enough goals so want change again
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